SPEAKER_00 0:00

But this isn't my hometown. So this one's super important to me. I don't care if nobody goes, but But to have my art acknowledged in my own home is like the place that I grew up with, the place that where it's kinda like, am I gonna make it? Am I gonna end here I am showing a little piece the city chose me.

SPEAKER_01 0:17

Hey there and welcome to the Woodburn Podcast, where we believe every story matters, and every neighbor has something worth sharing. I'm your host, Gilbert Lopez. I'll be sitting down with local business owners, community leaders, and hometown heroes right here in Woodburn. You'll discover amazing people in your own backyard and feel more connected to the community we call home. Make sure to follow us on Instagram and YouTube at Woodburn Podcast to be the first to know about new episodes and announcements. Alright guys, welcome to another episode of the Woodburn Podcast. I'm your host, Gilbert Lopez. And today I am sitting down with special friend of mine, Brenda Bravo Valentine. And Brenda, thank you so much for joining us. So you're a Woodburn native.

SPEAKER_00 1:10

Yes, I am.

unknown 1:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:11

I can I'm proud to say that.

SPEAKER_01 1:14

Tell me a little bit about growing up in Woodburn.

SPEAKER_00 1:17

So my family migrated here in the 1980s around there. I was born. We've always migrated back and forth, and always to Woodburn. Uh Woodburn is home. Woodburn is what I know. I have ventured out in other cities. Um, but I you always come back to Woodburn. I lived on Park Avenue almost all my life. If you know Park Avenue, yep, Legion Park. Same apartment, apartment number seven for over 13 years. One bedroom. Almost five to ten people at a time.

SPEAKER_01 1:49

So you had front row seas to the Fiesta Mexicana every year.

SPEAKER_00 1:54

Yes, but nah, we didn't attend every year.

SPEAKER_01 1:58

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:58

But the times I do remember, it was so cool. It was rights, you had to buy tickets to get goldfishes.

SPEAKER_01 2:05

Oh, that's right. I forgot about that.

SPEAKER_00 2:08

Yeah. It's definitely something we always waited for. So um I've seen the I've seen my brother be part of the Fiesta Mexicana with the slow rider bike and him telling me not to touch his bike.

SPEAKER_01 2:21

Oh, you can you can't touch it. No, no, no, definitely not before the show.

SPEAKER_00 2:25

He actually handed it down to me, so maybe maybe one day I'll I'll ride it too.

SPEAKER_01 2:29

Maybe we'll see you next year.

SPEAKER_00 2:31

Maybe, maybe.

SPEAKER_01 2:33

Woodburn, there's like 60% of Latinos living here. Some people call it Little Mexico. Which is amazing. Now, I want to talk about your art because it just speaks out culture, heritage. Can you talk about what inspired you to start painting?

SPEAKER_00 2:57

So I th I believe art came to me as therapy at a very young age without me knowing that's that was my escape. And when you start doing you start thinking of things to draw or paint, whatever, you you think out of memory. Okay. Or something you felt, or something you tasted, or something you saw. And since my culture was very prevalent in my um bring in my upbringing, my mom would use ingredients, would show us pictures. My mom's from Tanheronimo, um, Michael. And we are um indigenous Burepacha. So we have a lot of our culture really not leave us. Like it's what sustained us here in Oregon. And I feel like because of that, that became part of my like values and really uh the ingredients, everything I ate, what I wore um till this day has really been a part of me. And it just I felt like that was what was on my palate was a lot of my culture. So it's became almost like second, like major to me. Like it's oh, this is what I know. I know how to draw cantaritos because I drink out of a one, you know? Just it's like like that, you know? Like if you play basketball, what are you gonna draw? Basketballs. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:10

Yeah, right now in the background you can see a picture of uh one of your paintings. I just want to ask you the butterfly. I notice a lot of your paintings have butterflies. Is there a meaning behind that?

SPEAKER_00 4:20

So there there is. Um, where I'm from, we live close to a butterfly sanctuary. So when the monarchs uh migrate, they actually land there and it's one of the resting places in the Trojan. Um, so you'll see them over there so much. But either way, even here in the United States, the butterfly has been a huge symbol for dreamers. And um, I depicted even I work at the high school now, so I use it as our symbol for the club we have with my students. We have the monarch club. It's a butterfly, is it can mean so many things. I've heard my coworkers talk about how their grandparents remind them of a monarch and sayings of like if you see a monarch fly, it's our ancestors around you. Yeah, so it's it's a beautiful symbol and it can mean so much to so many people.

SPEAKER_01 5:09

It's amazing. Also, roses. I see a lot of roses in your paintings.

SPEAKER_00 5:16

So roses. I actually don't like roses given to me.

SPEAKER_01 5:19

Like like Oh, you don't?

SPEAKER_00 5:20

I mean, my husband will give them to me, but it's not a flower I crave, but it's a flower that is just so impactful. So, and it's I love roses to draw and paint because they're so different. And you can I can go days drawing painting them and you can make they look like clouds to me. So that's uh one of the reasons I use it so much. And I love roses in different colors, like I'm realistic. This in real person is actually bronze, it's not like an orange color. So if you see it in person, it'll have a sheen to it.

SPEAKER_01 5:52

Yeah, and I see that cantarito in there too.

SPEAKER_00 5:55

So cantaritos are very, very, very still to this day something we use. Um, but not only that, I have family members in Mexico who actually made them at the at the Sania que tienen. So like that's what they make by hand and they sell over there. And um, it's a lost art for many generations, and it's when you see it here, it's beautiful. And it's um, I always depict the cantarito like don't break my cantarito, like your heart, like you take care of it, you know. So that's that's the way I think about it.

SPEAKER_01 6:27

That makes a lot of sense.

SPEAKER_00 6:28

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 6:29

Is that the previous picture we saw? Yes, let me go back to it.

SPEAKER_00 6:32

Okay, okay. So this is the one. Um, it's called este No Quebres Mi Corazon porque es un cantarito. Well, I know. So I sounds like a song. I don't know if it is. Um, but this is uh this is what it is, and I love how the valves in it, it's um holding alcatros flowers. This painting has actually changed. I added butterflies around it. It will be you'll probably be able to see it soon. Um, but yeah, so I made the human heart look like a cantarita, and I'm pretty sure other artists have done it, but um that was my interpretation. So that's the one that I really love.

SPEAKER_01 7:10

Do you remember how you felt when you did your first painting?

SPEAKER_00 7:15

I was amazed and I felt like a chingona because I was like, Oh, whoa, I can do this. Like, and even though my family was like, No, Brenda, you gotta go to school, gotta do something different. I was like, This this looks different than everybody's like, why does mine look like this? And the teacher acknowledged it, and I was like, All right, okay, we might have a career. So there's something here.

SPEAKER_01 7:42

How old were you?

SPEAKER_00 7:44

How actually it was a drawing, and it was my whole family. I s we still have this drawing. Oh, I drew everybody in the family. Uh, and my mom always talks about it because I drew her with huge boobs. And she goes, and I'm like, Oh, sorry. But, anyways, everybody has Cortez Nikes on. Everybody white and black ones.

SPEAKER_01 8:05

White and black.

SPEAKER_00 8:05

Yeah, everybody does. And all the guys have white beaters. Okay, that was that was what that was what I saw in my days. So very interesting.

SPEAKER_01 8:14

Maybe one day you can share that to everybody.

SPEAKER_00 8:16

I probably can, but maybe. We'll see.

SPEAKER_01 8:23

So I heard you have an event coming up.

SPEAKER_00 8:26

I do, and I'm super, super proud of it. It might not be a huge event. I and the thing is, I've always had art shows in different cities, but this isn't my hometown. So this one's super important to me. Um, I don't care if nobody goes, but to have to have my art acknowledged in my own home, it's like the place that I grew up with, the place that where it's kind of like, am I gonna make it? Am I gonna and here I am showing a little piece of the city chose me too? So I'm so excited to um have an art show uh September 12th, uh 5 to 8 at the Bungalow Theater. Okay, where you'll see these paintings at.

SPEAKER_01 9:07

Awesome. So can you tell us about that? Like the process of picking artists, like how did it feel to get chosen?

SPEAKER_00 9:17

So I applied, I heard about it because I'm part of the arts and mural committee for the city.

SPEAKER_03 9:22

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 9:23

So they have an application process. They've chosen other artists. So I'm sitting there and I'm like, oh, they're chose another person. Cool. Maybe one day I'll get, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 9:32

Right.

SPEAKER_00 9:33

So then I apply. I applied in early June, and they say, Oh, we'll we'll let you know. Um, I found out maybe a few weeks ago, maybe two weeks ago, that I got it. And the process was obviously talking about myself, my um my upbringing, not my upbringings, but my artistic upbringing.

SPEAKER_03 9:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:50

Um, and then show my art, which was very nerve-wracking because what I have isn't everybody's case. And I understand that. Like, I'm not for everybody, and that's that's cool. But I am for Woodburne.

SPEAKER_01 10:02

Definitely.

SPEAKER_00 10:03

So I thought that was really cool.

SPEAKER_01 10:05

Yeah. Yeah. Can you go more in detail about your your art? Like who is it for? Like you mentioned Woodburn, but can you go more in detail?

SPEAKER_00 10:14

Well, obviously, it's obviously it's not um my art isn't like you're not gonna see a water tower in there or a train or the set of Meyer House. But those things are part of my history now. Um, even though my family's from Mexico, uh, these are things that are shaped that have shaped me. And um it's paintings that have definitely made different parts of my upbringing and almost honoring those things that um sometimes aren't beautiful. Like cantaritos are beautiful, but it's what they use as tools. It's the necessity in Mexico, el barro. Yeah, like I'm just making beauty out of everyday objects. Like La Um Dia de los Muertos, the skulls, those are memories. It's not a competition, it's you're remembering somebody, so it's just honoring it. Um, I also paint a lot of um our traditional flag, the pure pechas, and even painting that is such an honor that I'm able to do.

SPEAKER_01 11:17

And um, I tried to pronounce that word.

SPEAKER_00 11:22

Close, yeah. Pure pecha. And I'm probably saying it wrong too, because they it has an accent.

SPEAKER_01 11:28

Yeah. Can you go more what that means? Nobody heard that word before.

SPEAKER_00 11:33

So it is um it is indigenous people in Mitrakhan. Um back when the Aztecs were. I don't know the whole history, but this is the bits and pieces that I know of. And it's part of the Aztec, it was during the Aztec time. We didn't get conquered.

SPEAKER_01 11:49

I read that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:50

And uh we had a king, uh king queen, and they had their children. One of them is named Wapeni, was what's a prince, and was given a part of um El Imperio Purepecha. And it means um, I believe the word means founder. I don't speak pure pecha, but my family does.

SPEAKER_03 12:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:11

And um, I love that word. It's my son's name, so it's pretty cool. So it's wapeni. What is it? Wapeni. Wapeni. Yeah. There and then um I can't say the other name. It's like start it starts with the P, but it's really hard. I want to name my other son that, but if my husband was having a hard time seeing it. So I was like, well, let's not do that. It's it's another culture that is also coming up. You know how you said little woodburn? Yeah. In Mexico, they call it little San Jeronimo because there is a lot of us up here. There's a lot of not just from San Jeronimo, but from around, there's different um the reino pure pecha is huge. There's those Once Pueblos, um, all the way from where um Brunette's from. So it's really big. And I feel like the you can really see it, the the culture's really rising up. And we have our um New Year's in February, and uh there's a really strong um Pure Picha um family up there that does a celebration in Washington. That's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_01 13:14

Oh, that's awesome!

SPEAKER_00 13:15

And it's to commemorate um uh Uchari Unapica, which is like nuestra fuerza. It's pretty it's pretty cool. Wow, can you say that word again? I can't because I'm probably saying it wrong, and my uncle's like I know where you're from.

SPEAKER_01 13:35

I think close to Pascuaro.

SPEAKER_00 13:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:38

They have a very famous Dia de los Muertos.

SPEAKER_00 13:41

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 13:42

Um, and I was reading that, it got inspired by the show Um Coco.

SPEAKER_00 13:46

Yes, uh movie.

SPEAKER_01 13:48

Movie.

SPEAKER_00 13:49

Uh funny enough, um that's one of the towns that was really inspired from is called Santa Fe, which is like maybe from here to where Jervis is at.

SPEAKER_03 13:58

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 13:58

And actually, maybe five, six years ago, you know, Coco, the grandma, she did exist.

SPEAKER_01 14:04

Mama Coco.

SPEAKER_00 14:05

Mama Coco, my son got to take a picture next to her.

SPEAKER_01 14:08

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_00 14:08

I know. That's what's cool. It's sad and funny because after his visit, she got more popular and they actually put like a glass cage on her like room, and people can see her. Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_01 14:19

Yeah, very interesting. That's why that is interesting.

SPEAKER_00 14:22

She has now passed, but um I have that memory, which is pretty cool. Things we know now. Capitalism at its best.

SPEAKER_01 14:30

I know, right? Oh, did you ever go to the uh Dia de los Muertos? No.

SPEAKER_00 14:35

No, no. Um, my mom just went not too long ago because my grandma passed about a year ago, and usually they go, they go, thank you, they go within a year after they pass to uh wait for them, is what they call it. Um, and they do the celebration. And I didn't go this year, and I wish I would have had, but I had just had my baby, so I couldn't. Um but I one day hope to. I don't know when. I do work in a school district, so it's really hard to leave.

SPEAKER_01 15:03

Right.

SPEAKER_00 15:04

But when I do, I'm excited for it.

SPEAKER_01 15:06

Okay. And for people that don't know, what is Dia de los Muertos?

SPEAKER_00 15:10

So Dia de los Muertos is two days. One day is for like the babies and children you celebrate, and then the second day is all saints. So anybody any age, I think there's even a date for animals. Um, I just don't remember right now. But it's two-day celebration. Besides the two-day celebration, what's really cool is what comes before it.

SPEAKER_03 15:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 15:30

So most of the uh festivities start within a few days where you start building your altar. And many, many cultures have different somebody has like you have to have three, three um heights, you have to have this, you have to have that. Um, I I haven't been to it, so I I can't say, oh, this is how you do it. Um, but uh what I do adapt is have what your family loved. Right. So that's usually what I think of.

SPEAKER_01 15:55

Yeah, just honoring what they want. Um and from what I understand, it's just a day to pay respect to the people that left us.

SPEAKER_00 16:05

Yeah, like uh my mother-in-law, she I love the way she does it too. She puts up the picture, puts up a veladora, and then a cup of water, and sometimes cuts food. It's something really simple, but it's there and you're like, wow, you think about the person, you know, it's really sweet.

SPEAKER_01 16:20

Right. That's awesome. Like if you've seen the movie Coco, you'll you'll know what we're talking about. Yes, watch it. Yeah, it's really good. So let's jump into this one.

SPEAKER_00 16:31

Oh, yeah. Uh when I was little, I used to uh draw roses as a sky. When I was little, I used to draw roses on the ground. On the I think that's what it says. And that's that's just what it reminded me. So then I made roses as a ground and roses as a sky.

SPEAKER_01 16:51

That's cool, cool.

SPEAKER_00 16:52

Yeah, and the nopal, which obviously has a lot of symbolism. Like I carry mine nice and same ear.

SPEAKER_01 17:00

But I wanted to talk about that. You know, growing up, you'll see a lot of older adults, even kids nowadays, losing their heritage, losing their Spanish. Like, why do you think that happens? I I before Including myself, by the way.

SPEAKER_00 17:19

No, I and then I don't blame anybody who loses their culture. We live in a society and in a world that's so fast-paced. It really is too hard to slow down and really have time to show them this is your culture. I mean, we live in the United States, so you're embedded to know, the American dream. It's so ingrace in us that I don't blame anybody who's like white skin or oh, I only speak speak Spanglish or I'm a no sabo kid. Like, it's that no none of your fault because I feel like the older generation, especially, they were pushed into working so quick at a young age that they had to assimilate. And in some cases, racism in the work exists. So it's kind of like you want to fit in, so you don't want to talk any Spanish. And little by little you start making more American friends or friends that only speak English. So I feel like it's no fault of anybody's. It's great if you get to keep your language and everything, but it does it takes a lot of practice. Like me, myself, like um my husband and I, we're our kids are bilingual, but that was hard. Even my son would say no sabor, and like, because that's my fault. That's the way I said it, you know? Because for me, it's hard too, you know. And bouncing back and forth, sometimes I forget English, sometimes I forget Spanish. And you're like, como si se what, how do you, you know, esa cosa? Like you know, you it's it it it happens in uh adding another language, a third language to any any of my students who know a third language, like a Guatemalan language, you're awesome. Those are the kind of kids we're looking for if we're translating. It gives them a little bit of hope. So now the the that's what I said, like it's it's that nobody's fault. Before, yes. I remember like people would have made fun of you're an Oreo, you're this and that. Right. And it was hard because then you were forced to kind of like, hmm, no mames. You know, but I don't think uh I don't I think if you you lost it, cool, make some time to learn some words to survive.

SPEAKER_03 19:24

Right.

SPEAKER_00 19:24

Um, even to my only Spanish speaking folks, try to learn words that you can use at work.

SPEAKER_01 19:31

Where's the restroom?

SPEAKER_00 19:32

On the San Baño. On the San So what does um what does Hispanic heritage mean to you?

SPEAKER_01 20:12

It's coming up. Well actually it's this month.

SPEAKER_00 20:15

Yes, so the art show not only is it um my art show that day, but the city is actually holding First Friday. So it is the kickoff celebration to Hispan Hispanic Heritage Month, which is from um September 15th through October 15th. So it's a whole month. Um coincidentally, there's a lot of Hispanic um holidays going on. Not only is it um Mexico's grito, I think it's Guatemalan Independence Day, I think Honduras. There's a lot of Latino Hispanic um countries celebrating their patia, their culture. So it's a mix of everything. It's just not a Mexican holiday. Coincidentally, Mexico's first. I hadn't planned that, but that's how it goes.

SPEAKER_01 21:03

So at your event, can people buy some paintings?

SPEAKER_00 21:10

I will have a few, okay, only a few. Most of them, um, as I was telling you, um, have been sold. And the owners are letting me borrow back the paintings. Wow. Which is pretty neat to say. And at the same time, I'm very blessed that I don't advertise a lot and I my paintings to get sold somehow. And it's two wonderful people that are letting me borrow my paintings. And um, so yeah, you'll see, and you can order something, I can custom make it. Um it's I will paint maybe once a month and I'll put it up online. And if you're interested, you're interested. I always like making it more customized. If you want to add, I don't know, four butterflies because it's your family, and then kind of um Easter egg their name or something, it's really nice to do. Wow.

SPEAKER_01 21:57

What is the best way for someone to pick up a piece?

SPEAKER_00 22:00

Uh find me online. Um Instagram, Brenda La Chingona, uh, Facebook, Brenda La Chingona. And that's it.

SPEAKER_01 22:10

Love it. So, do you only do paintings?

SPEAKER_00 22:13

So I don't like to draw. I straight paint. Uh I will sketch with paint. Drawing is so boring to me. I never took an art class, so I never learned the basics.

SPEAKER_03 22:23

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 22:23

I would actually steal my paint from Um, Miss Johnston. If you're at the high school and if it's Johnston, you're hearing this. You yes at this. She was hiring this Umberly Sat. Oh, shy. My favorite art. Uh before she taught art, she taught uh ceramics. That's where I did do some art. I love ceramics, and it's one day I become rich, I will buy a kiln and I will do my own cantaritos at home.

SPEAKER_01 22:49

Oh, that'll be awesome.

SPEAKER_00 22:50

Yeah, so I that's that's the dream and the goal still. But I would steal paint from her other classes. So I have ceramics, so I'd put like paint in my my my little backpack and como si nada. And I would actually paint Bob Marley. Oh, really? And Bob Marley and Che Guevara. I know. Whoa. Yes. Okay. I don't know who I thought I was in high school, but and I would give them away. So whoever has those paintings, because I thought it was cool. I didn't know my worth. Now I do. And um I would give those paintings away. Um, and I started buying just the same paint as Miss Jostow had. And that's the paint I use till this day. Oh wow. I never learned how to use anything else.

SPEAKER_01 23:32

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 23:32

And it's what I love. And I know I should venture out, but it's just so easy to have my old habits. Um, but I not only paint, I actually face paint. I do event hair. I I don't know, I do banners, I do, I mean, murals, children's murals. I try to venture in a lot of artistic things and try to donate my time, even if it's not an uh maybe art piece, but I will teach kids how to face paint and have them face paint around town. Like in the schools, my students are the ones that um are the ones face painting for the other niño event at the high school. Um, yeah, because I mean that's the way you gotta give back, you know. Um there was, I think it was Mr. Velise, Anthony Velise said, um, find your gift and gift your gift.

SPEAKER_01 24:27

It's amazing. Yeah. Love that.

SPEAKER_00 24:30

And I hold that true to heart. Like, I don't want to be selfish with what I have. I want to keep it going. Because maybe that gift, somebody will be like, oh, I really like this and do something with it, and then show somebody else.

SPEAKER_01 24:42

Power giving.

SPEAKER_00 24:43

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 24:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:45

Santa Claus.

SPEAKER_01 24:46

What's next for you?

SPEAKER_00 24:48

This was a huge goal, just to have something in Woodburn. I I told my husband, I want to be known for what I'm not known for in a lot of places, it's my art. I want people just to see it once, and I'm not for everybody, but I was made here. And maybe this is just a beginning. I have no idea. Maybe I'll have another one in Portland. Um, maybe I'll have one in San Hieronimo. Whoa, how that'd be like the ultimate, ultimate, ultimate thing. Um, but those are my goals. And I just I really want to share it with my family, my students, my friends, um, anybody who's crossed my path. Um and then I'm really big on our childhood. So I just want to make little Brenda happy and let her know, like out of everything we've been through, like that one little seed that one day is is happening September 12th.

SPEAKER_01 25:45

Wow. Any any final message to the people listening?

SPEAKER_00 25:49

Um, don't that sound so corny, but if you feel like you have some something, you have something. Like it's either in mechanic, either in even as they're a good fissure or um really good on computers, really good on some sort of program, even gaming, stick to it. Um, regardless of what our parents say, because my mom, my parents are very much like you're gonna be a nurse and that's what you're gonna do, and kind of disregarded my painting sometimes because they it they they came here for the American dream, and I believe that. Like I I hope, and I know my mom's proud of me, and I know my dad's proud of me. But um it's just when you stick to it, you can make it, you can make it into something trusty, whether it's big or small. I didn't go to school for this. I wish I did because I would know more fundamentals. I'd be able to use oils, maybe. I mean, I I just don't have the patience for it. I'm at the age where um I just don't. And but I'm making something of what I had, and you can too. So don't drop the pencils, don't drop the wrench, just keep going. Whatever it is, honestly, like even if you're cooking, you're probably a really good cook. Keep at it. If you're a good baker, if you're a good podcasteration.

SPEAKER_01 27:05

Episode number two.

SPEAKER_00 27:07

Yeah, you just don't know. This episode number two could go into three, four, five. So I I try to instill that in my students and my family and my children now. It's really hard because kids are always ever changing, but let them change. Let them try different things because that's the only way they'll learn. If they don't have a cost in high school or whatever, make you be the teacher of different techniques. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:29

I'm gonna say I'm so proud of you. I'm proud of the wife that you are, the mom, our educator in Woodburn, and of course your paintings.

SPEAKER_00 27:40

Oh, thank you. And Gil has been there from like the beginning, like over 10 years now.

SPEAKER_03 27:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:46

He's seen me at my worst, at my best. And you know, we're still growing. And we we got a lot to go. We got a lot to go to.

SPEAKER_01 27:54

We do. We do.

SPEAKER_00 27:55

You know, and I'm really proud that you're making a place where it won't just be me. Maybe you'll be um a smaller person doing bigger things and because there's a lot of us that are doing big things behind the scenes. Yeah. And I feel like those people should be like applauded. Because a lot of things go unspoken for. So here's to those people who are hard.

SPEAKER_01 28:20

And that's why I started this little platform. All right, Brenda. Thank you so much for joining. Then maybe you can stop by again sometime.

SPEAKER_00 28:30

Yes, yes, maybe next time we'll be I'm selling cantaritos or sending. I mean, I don't know, cantaritos with something, but I'm not gonna give up.

SPEAKER_01 28:39

Well, that's the wrap for today's episode. Thank you for listening to the Woodburn Podcast. If you enjoyed it, share it with a neighbor and make sure to follow us on Instagram and YouTube at Woodburn Podcast. Until next time, stay safe and watch out for those muffles.